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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 01:35 PM Post Subject |
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St33lFan4Life
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Great post! I so enjoy having him back there from what we had last year. I agree with the move. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 01:37 PM Post Subject |
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pitterpatter
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You forgot to mention the fact that he sat out a year due to a preexisting injury. All in all, I don't see why people really get all that upset or happy with this pick. However, I do like the trend it started, the Steelers using their late picks on guys who they consider strong Special Teams contributers. They've used many picks on guys who may or may not start at their prospective positions, but are pretty safe bets for special teams play. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 02:00 PM Post Subject |
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defva
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Sep was a steal in the 4th rd.so Im good with the pick |
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 02:10 PM Post Subject |
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lexnbenz
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quoting 6stinkyfingers:
quoting lexnbenz:
your grammer is decent. but three years of spellcheck? really?
I hope you are being ironic.
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 02:32 PM Post Subject |
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sam1999
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Good analysis. I am curious though . . . did you find any gems that were drafted after Sevulpda? If not, who are the best players that have developed that were drafted after? |
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 02:47 PM Post Subject |
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TheStallworthSwann
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quoting sam1999:
Good analysis. I am curious though . . . did you find any gems that were drafted after Sevulpda? If not, who are the best players that have developed that were drafted after?
That was a very thin and weak draft class after the first two rounds. Arguably, the very best player drafted by any team in 2007 after Sepulveda was taken in the 4th round was William Gay in the 5th round. The 5th, 6th and 7th rounds had very few players of current consequence. As usual, the Steelers drafted some exceptionally good players and overall did a great job compared to the rest of the league and considering their draft position (17th). They drafted 4 guys who currently start -- Timmons (1st), Woodley (2nd), Sepulveda (4th) and Gay (compensatory 5th), plus a backup in Spaeth (3rd). They also drafted Ryan McBean in the compensatory part of the 4th round, and he of course starts for Denver now. The picks the Steelers got nothing out of were OG Cam Stephenson in round 5 and WR Dallas Baker in round 7, but as previously stated, rounds 5, 6 and 7 of that draft were filled with bordeline players who've never amounted to much. Even most of the 3rd and 4th rounds were filled with crap. Certain people moaned and groaned and still do when the Steelers took Spaeth in round 3, but it's not as if there were any Pro Bowl caliber players taken in that round. All in all, the Steelers hit a big, fat home run with that draft class. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 03:15 PM Post Subject |
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SteelHack
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A couple of things.. 1) I have always felt that the Jags forced the Steelers hand....I think they would have been happy with Podlesh or Sep.....everyone thinking Sep would be taken first.....then when the Jags took Podlesh....the Steelers lost their get out of jail free card...their was only one Punter left....and it was the one that should have went first...so they made their move....I never had a problem with the trade...you want a punter...you need a punter...go get a punter...4th round was fine. 2) While I understand Del's point...I also don't agree with it....I read an article about a high school team that does not punt...EVER...they don't even have a punter..they feel that playing with 4 downs is better...and that playing with the knowledge that you have that extra down makes you think differently...3rd and 4...you dont need 4...you need 2...and then 2 again. Not only is that team doing well...the convert at a very high rate..and the numbers show that maybe their is some merit to what they are doing.....maybe....but I would not want to play that way at the pro level. 3) Another thing I like a lot about Sep...is he is a football player who punts....like Ben is a football player who plays QB.......not a punter or QB who happens to play football. HACK |
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 03:20 PM Post Subject |
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thorn058
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How can anyone argue against Sepulveda I mean the biggest plus side to him beyond his kicking ability was that he is built like a linebacker and actually wants to hit kick returners. I mean imagine the difference that would have made last Sunday if he was in charge of kickoffs.
I always thought Spaeth was a solid pick. Basically a bit bigger then Miller, solid blocker and route runner may not a gifted in pass catching or making guys miss as Miller but since BA likes multiple tight end sets a good option for short yardage pick up. I don't think he drops the ball nearly as much as say Carey Davis and he had a job for two years.
Dallas Baker was always my dark horse player on Madden in 07. He was a player I always liked because he fit the Steelers mold, just sort of average, worked hard did his job but there was always some one just a tiny bit better or bigger or faster so he never caught on. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 03:20 PM Post Subject |
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TheStallworthSwann
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quoting SteelHack:
Another thing I like a lot about Sep...is he is a football player who punts....like Ben is a football player who plays QB.......not a punter or QB who happens to play football. HACK
 Shhhhh, don't say that too loudly, it's one of the Steelers secrets to drafting success, and all the GMs who come on here to read playwitpoise's player evaluations might accidentally stumble upon this wisdom. The Steelers draft football players first, not punters, quarterbacks and wide recievers. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 03:33 PM Post Subject |
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TheStallworthSwann
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quoting SteelHack:
I read an article about a high school team that does not punt...EVER...they don't even have a punter..they feel that playing with 4 downs is better...and that playing with the knowledge that you have that extra down makes you think differently...3rd and 4...you dont need 4...you need 2...and then 2 again. Not only is that team doing well...the convert at a very high rate..and the numbers show that maybe their is some merit to what they are doing.....maybe....but I would not want to play that way at the pro level. HACK
There's an academic paper or two out there that purport to prove that teams should never, ever punt; that over both the short and longterm it is more beneficial to always 'go for it' on 4th down. It makes for interesting reading, but those studies rely on the same sort of past-posting type thinking that deljzc uses when he denounces punters. That is, they take a wealth of cumulative statistics and try to pare them down into making sense in individual situations, which they do not. As I've pointed out here many times, judging the worth or value of a punter based on gross average or net average is silly and meaningless. A punter on any of his single plays in a given game can heavily influence the outcome, and that's why a guy like Sepulveda is infinitely valuable, and why always going for it on 4th down would be a foolish approach. |
